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		<title>Stuck.  Busy.  Edge. Argh.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still kind of believe that if I try hard enough and want it bad enough I should be able to make it happen.  I am a survivor of the 1980s' 'Against All Odds' film genre, and the American Dream in general.  Deep down I'm disappointed that I'm not hardcore enough to sacrifice whatever amount of sleep it takes to write a novel or a blog while working, parenting, partnering, nursing, pumping, churchgoing, and doing occasional chores. Why can't my heart follow my brain out of this lie?<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=doubleagents.wordpress.com&amp;blog=344681&amp;post=18&amp;subd=doubleagents&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am frustrated because I have so many ideas, and practically no time to work on making them happen.  I have ideas for creative projects, for career track projects, for parenting projects and for personal reflection and improvement projects.  Sometimes I even get that pulse of motivation, that slow rhythmic flow toward inspiration that has so much potential you can&#8217;t help but get excited about it.  And then I walk through my wreck of a kitchen, or look at the still-not-folded-for-the-third-day-in-a-row laundry pile. Or the clock.  Or I just realize that my body can&#8217;t do much more than get to bed, whatever plans my brain my be brewing up.</p>
<p>And this is the frustration:  I still kind of believe that if I try hard enough and want it bad enough I should be able to make it happen.  I am a survivor of the 1980s&#8217; &#8216;Against All Odds&#8217; film genre, and the American Dream in general.  Deep down I&#8217;m disappointed that I&#8217;m not hardcore enough to sacrifice whatever amount of sleep it takes to write a novel or a blog while working, parenting, partnering, nursing, pumping, churchgoing, and doing occasional chores. Why can&#8217;t my heart follow my brain out of this lie?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m already always too close to the edge.  And if it can&#8217;t be done without taking speed, then it&#8217;s not going to happen, thank  you very much.</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder if I have a friend or relative desperate enough to move in with us and exchange room and board for nanny services.  I know it&#8217;s delusional, but it&#8217;s a fantasy.  I&#8217;m tired of stealing time from myself.  &#8216;Cause you can&#8217;t really steal from yourself.</p>
<p>Argh, right?  Right.</p>
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		<title>Mama Not Making&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Atena</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am living in my administrative brain right now.  I don&#8217;t believe that we&#8217;re ever not making, really, &#8217;cause if you&#8217;re engaged, you&#8217;re bound to create something.  I think.  But living in my adminbrain, I&#8217;m not writing poems.  Not rendering images.  Not making any &#8216;zines or knitting any armwarmers. I miss making.  I love developing [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=doubleagents.wordpress.com&amp;blog=344681&amp;post=14&amp;subd=doubleagents&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am living in my administrative brain right now.  I don&#8217;t believe that we&#8217;re ever not making, really, &#8217;cause if you&#8217;re engaged, you&#8217;re bound to create something.  I think.  But living in my adminbrain, I&#8217;m not writing poems.  Not rendering images.  Not making any &#8216;zines or knitting any armwarmers.</p>
<p>I miss making.  I love developing systems for efficient and effective education of young children, but you can&#8217;t hold that in your hands.  You can&#8217;t point to it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an irresponsible busy artmama.  I should have a small notebook on my person at all times, and a pen, so I can jot notes or dash off sketches of my ideas whenever they come to me.  I should be keeping quick records of my ideas since I don&#8217;t have leisure creative time the way I used to (but never really realized.  Any childless artists out there who may be unencumbered by some weighty, time-consuming, life-consuming responsibility, get your ass from in front of the TV or computer, and go make something).  But I&#8217;m not doing that.  When I remember my notebook, I&#8217;ve forgotten my pen.  When I get a moment to write, I&#8217;d rather sleep.  When I&#8217;m determined to write something out, I realize I haven&#8217;t played with my daughter yet today.</p>
<p>Understand, I am IN NO WAY saying that becoming a parent = death of creative life.  To accept that is to succumb to a line of reasoning that is rooted in bullshit.  What I&#8217;m saying is that your creative life is a privilege.  Not a given.  Creative expression is like freedom &#8211; if you want it, you have to fight for it.   The extent to which you fight for it is the extent to which it belongs to you.</p>
<p>So I guess I&#8217;m declaring that I&#8217;ve been a bit lazy.  I&#8217;ve taken my creativity for granted.  sure, I&#8217;ve been busy and tired and stressed and preoccupied.  But that&#8217;s no reason to take your gifts for granted.  I have to stop making excuse.  It&#8217;s so easy to make excuses about why it&#8217;s hard to do what we want to do.</p>
<p>To my credit, I have been writing in my blogs.  So I don&#8217;t guess I should be too hard on myself &#8211; blogging is the easiest way for me to flex my creative brain outside of my internship, and sometimes the easiest way is the only way.    But my creative life has been getting the shorter end of the proverbial stick as of late &#8211; I need to make a point of paying more attention to it.</p>
<p>I actually think balance is ultimately impossible, but the effort toward it is totally essential.  No one can balance what any of us is expected to balance.  But trying will make us better people if we don&#8217;t kill ourselves in the process.  Does that make sense?</p>
<p>Anyway, baby wakes&#8230;</p>
<p>Atena</p>
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		<title>Parents outside their native habitat</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>doubleagents</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[around noon   Atena: How are you?? andrea: not too bad. just finished lunch. henry&#8217;s napping Atena: Awesome. Whatcha up to today? andrea: i got a little motivation and wrote up some questions for the working parent survey for keeley Atena: Rock n&#8217; roll&#8230; I gotta get my ass in gear &#8211; so much to do&#8230; [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=doubleagents.wordpress.com&amp;blog=344681&amp;post=12&amp;subd=doubleagents&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><em>around noon  </em></span></p>
<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>How are you??</span></p>
<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>not too bad. just finished lunch. henry&#8217;s napping</span></p>
<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Awesome. </span><span>Whatcha up to today?</span></p>
<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i got a little motivation and wrote up some questions for the working parent survey for keeley</span></p>
<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Rock n&#8217; roll&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>I gotta get my ass in gear &#8211; so much to do&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i was thinking of going to Target to get a few things later</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>yeah, i bet</span></p>
<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I&#8217;ve been doing some &#8220;PR&#8221; for Double Agents&#8230;.</span></p>
<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>oh. is it getting more traffic?</span></p>
<p class="msg 1st"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Posting on various sites that might draw more of an audience&#8230;</span></p>
<p><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>maybe we should get in gear and put up another post. <span> <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span></span></p>
<p><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah &#8211; you can check the traffic on the dashboard&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>I posted something this weekend&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>but we should post another chat session soon, too.</span></p>
<p><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>right</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>maybe something after Concentric. Do they ever address parenting?</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>I don&#8217;t remember young adult conferences ever coming close to noticing that aspect of young adulthood</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I have no idea&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>but if they don&#8217;t</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>they will by the time I leave there.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>heh</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Represent!</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>yeah, i mean it&#8217;s still pretty common for people to have kids before they turn 35</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah -</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>I remember one conference I went to a gal brought her baby, which was cool</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Anything after is considered &#8220;high risk.&#8221;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>yeah, exactly</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>yet it&#8217;s the one thing no one ever talks about</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah, Natalie and I will be representing for the parents.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>When I registered&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>the woman said there were no other kids registered so far&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>But then, I don&#8217;t know if they count babies.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>right</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>on the one hand, i can see how someone attending would want to be able to focus on themselves for a change</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>but on the other hand, it&#8217;s kind of this dink/singles bar atmosphere</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Hah.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Yeah &#8211; you know I&#8217;m thinking&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>I&#8217;ve been thinking about the whole nursing in public thing as a radical action&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>creating opportunities for people to see nursing as a normal, everyday thing&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><strong><span class="salutation">andrea: </span><span>*nod*</span></strong></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>But now I&#8217;m realizing that just going out to non-child-oriented events is seeming pretty radical.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>yeah!</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Going with your child, that is.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>yeah.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I don&#8217;t know if you read my post from this weekend&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>it&#8217;s about ghetto-ifying parents.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>like Mark and I wouldn&#8217;t really think of going to a YA event because it would be so difficult to accomodate Henry</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah? Not ever?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>and it&#8217;s not fair that the one who &#8220;plays parent&#8221; doesn&#8217;t participate</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>What about switching off?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i can&#8217;t imagine taking him, in thinking of past conferences i&#8217;ve been to</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>You make a good point -</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Toddlers are a handful, and you can&#8217;t always take them everywhere&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>BUT conferences should totally make some accomodation</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>RIGHT &#8211; &#8217;cause no space will ever become accommodating if we don&#8217;t try to carve out a space for ourselves.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>like budget in some nursery care or something</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>exactly</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>They do have childcare at ConCentric! That&#8217;s pretty cool.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>oh that&#8217;s good</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>They were going to cover the cost in my scholarship.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>nice</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>have you and ian been to any 2U young adult events?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I went to one&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>with or without stella?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Ian had stayed at home with Stella.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>That&#8217;s generally why we don&#8217;t go&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>same here</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Because they&#8217;re just not designed for parents.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>Quinn asked us about what could be done to be more inviting for parents</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>i don&#8217;t know if any changes were made, though</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>It&#8217;s good that she asked.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>exactly</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>But they won&#8217;t have incentive to make changes&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>if we&#8217;re never showing up.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>yeah</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>We should plan to go together sometime.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>we should. although i haven&#8217;t seen many events that pique my interest</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>usually they revolve around purchasing meals, it seems</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I have no idea what they&#8217;re doing&#8230; you&#8217;re right about meals though.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>We should bring that up.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Maybe offer to host something sometime&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Bring it onto our turf, in our space.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i&#8217;d been thinking about the whole YA thing, thinking I&#8217;d just kinda dumbly look around until, woops! I&#8217;m 35!</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>I guess the young adult stuff got separated from the parent stuff.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Like being a parent automatically adds ten years.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>is it an issue i want to attempt? will parents in YA groups ever be a partnership?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I don&#8217;t know&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Why wouldn&#8217;t they?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>yeah. i think about YA stuff and think that I <b>must</b> be too old for them. i&#8217;d be too busy watching Henry do something silly than to contribute any meaningful discussion</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>(I just pulled a penny out of Stella&#8217;s mouth.)</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>there are a lot of college types that have completely different needs and worldviews</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>(oh lord.)</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Anyway, I don&#8217;t think that we should be excluding ourselves from this group&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>and then the young grads, headed to more graduate work or headed to be young professionals</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>on account of our children.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>We have as much right to participate as they do.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i just <b>feel</b> too old and distracted to get into what they&#8217;re doing</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Well, maybe they should get into what we&#8217;re doing.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>is there anything after YA? or do you just wade out into great expanse toward the &#8216;elder&#8217; horizon?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I think you just &#8220;wade out.&#8221;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>hmm</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I think the young adult group would benefit from the parent perspective&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Because many of them will be parents one day&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>And many of them have parents in their lives.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>to play devil&#8217;s advocate, in what way can they benefit other than the whole cautionary angle, &#8220;a duck maybe somebody&#8217;s mother&#8221; schtick?</span></p>
<p><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I suppose in the way that anyone benefits from exposure to and interaction with other groups: a widened perspective&#8230;</span></p>
<p><strong><span class="salutation">andrea: </span><span>*nod*</span></strong></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>We can help them learn about parents, learn that we don&#8217;t have a disease that makes talking to us impossible&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>(woah.. i&#8217;m feeling dizzy all the of sudden)</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>you okay?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>that was so weird</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>is it over?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i&#8217;m seated, so it didn&#8217;t harm me, but i felt my head spinning as though i had been dervishing around. like i degaussed my brain.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>and apparently i transpose words when i typed</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>yeah. maybe i should lay off the Mike &#8216;n&#8217; Ikes</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>hee hee.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>So, I guess what I&#8217;m trying to say&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i&#8217;m going to look at the YA mailing list archives real quick to see what the events have been recently</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Cool.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>I guess we also benefit&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>because we get to have an experience of life that is not so child-focused&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>That gets us out of our usual box for a while, and reminds us that there are other things in life, and other ways of living.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>We can get so isolated &#8211; by ourselves, but also with each other.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>True</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>i don&#8217;t see any events having happened other than the soulful potluck and ya brunch. weird.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Why&#8217;s it weird?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>because i feel like i&#8217;ve seen other messages posted related to YA</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>maybe it&#8217;s a different mailing list than the one i&#8217;m looking at</span></p>
<p><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Maybe.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Or maybe it&#8217;s out of date?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>the events postings are current</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>i think they may have created a different group when Mark relinquished leadership</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>What group are you looking at?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>there we go</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>yeah, i was at the wrong one. I was looking at 2u_young_adults</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Aha.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Hey, andrea -</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>I&#8217;m gonna change Stella, but then I&#8217;ll be back, cool?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>k</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span><em>Ten minutes later</em></span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Okay &#8211; where were we?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i looked through the past posts and didn&#8217;t see too many events that i&#8217;d be up for attending. i didn&#8217;t see too many events, period. it might be nice to go to a circle worship, provided they had some childcare going on</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>i didn&#8217;t see any future planned events, although it <b>is</b> summer</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah &#8211; I think childcare would be possible on a Sunday.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>although that would make for a LOT of nursery time if Henry was there through church and then a second service</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Is there something wrong with a lot of nursery time?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i dunno. would they be willing to feed him lunch?</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>the nursery attendents, that is</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>They have for other kids, as far as I know.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>okay.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I can&#8217;t imagine why they wouldn&#8217;t feed a hungry child.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><strong><span class="salutation">andrea: </span><span>*shrug*</span></strong></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Especially since hungry children are often angry children.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>well, doling out snacks are one thing</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>but spoons and bowls full of something are different</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>henry&#8217;s not a sandwich guy yet</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I guess you&#8217;d have to ask them what they&#8217;re willing to do.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>And decide how much you want to participate in whatever YA thing is happening.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>for me it just comes back to, am I really that interested to make the effort?</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>i&#8217;m too much of a slacker</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>You are not a slacker!</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>As much work as you do to keep Henry happy and entertained&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>mark and i were just talking about whether we&#8217;re raising henry to be a slacker. he was sitting on the couch yelling for me while i was in here typing. wouldn&#8217;t get up to get me, just kept yelling</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>you can hardly claim to be a slacker. <span> <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span></span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>oh, i&#8217;m lazier than i appear, i think</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>What you&#8217;re referring to is not being at his beck and call every minute.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Which is actually a good thing.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>my favorite way to play with henry is to roughhouse on the bed because it means i&#8217;m laying down</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Heh heh.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>just looked through your recent post to doubleagents</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>did you feel similarly ignored at the party on Saturday?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Not so much&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>it seemed more of a kid-friendly crowd</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah -</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>and there were a lot more people.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Generally a different demographic &#8211; ministry students, 2U church members&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>although i never feel like i have anything relavent to talk and secretly hope someone will ask me something about Henry</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>The group on Friday were mostly high school teachers&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>ohh</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>They had a lot of &#8220;Teacher by day, hipster by night&#8221; going on&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>(another penny out of the mouth &#8211; I have to clean under the carpet.)</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>yeah, i can understand that scene</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>(start calling her Coinstar)</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>HA!</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Anyway, I&#8217;ve been to lots of parties where it was totally cool to have Stella, and people were really accepting.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>that&#8217;s good</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah &#8211; I always really appreciate it.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>Stella&#8217;s still at an age where people don&#8217;t necessarily fear her</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Very true.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>like I totally wanted to go to a friend of mine&#8217;s birthday BBQ</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>and I would have a year ago</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>but I think about my friend&#8217;s house and all the buttons and CDs and shiny things and breakable/mouthable things and how there would be no way i could actually <b>wear</b> him the whole time</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>and i had to bow out</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Yeah, I can definitely see that.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i felt defeated somehow</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>It&#8217;s harder to get around with toddlers, because the world is so NOT set up for them.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>exactly</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>And it blows for the parents.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Because the last thing anyone needs is to only be able to hang out with a toddler.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Though they are very sweet.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span><span> <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </span></span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>it&#8217;s sad because it&#8217;s a situation where your child is the reason you can&#8217;t go somewhere and not because they&#8217;re sick or aren&#8217;t friends with the person, but because of their nature at the age they&#8217;re at</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>they&#8217;re holding you back in some way just by their existence</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>yeah&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>that&#8217;s so awful to think about your own kid</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>But don&#8217;t you think that sometimes toddler parents hold back themselves&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i&#8217;m sure</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>it&#8217;s hard to tell how tolerant nonparents are, though</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>and sometimes forget to let their child try to overcome some of the &#8220;terror&#8221; that&#8217;s expected of them?</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>Yeah.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>like i always feel like i have to ride herd over Henry no matter whose house I&#8217;m at</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>when we were in Iowa, we visited some relatives.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I think people are by and large less tolerant of children because they don&#8217;t have much experience with them.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>they lived on the outskirts of Algona in a really big, really nice house. they had a huge back yard where Henry was able to play, sandbox, the works. But he got tired of that and hot and we went into the house where I just kinda had to let him roam and i was SO scared he&#8217;d fuck something up</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>and my relatives impressed upon me that there was absolutely nothing he could mess up in their space and to relax</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Were you able to relax and let him play?</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>and I remember feeling so relieved and also feeling like this was the first time i&#8217;d felt that relieved, like someone anticipated my anxiety and truthfully told me that all was cool</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>That&#8217;s great.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i know</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I think because of lack of exposure to kids&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>but i&#8217;d never know whether my other friends would say &#8220;yeah, it&#8217;s cool that he&#8217;s pulling our DVD collection off the shelves&#8221; and mean it</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>people fail to think about what it really means to have a kid in their home.</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>And they underestimate the parents&#8217; capacity to control the child&#8217;s every move.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>but it&#8217;s really exhausting to control your child&#8217;s every move</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Well, yeah, and you shouldn&#8217;t have to&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>There should be some space where you can let them do their thing.</span></p>
<p><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>so i end up not taking henry to places that i don&#8217;t already have experience with</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>i know. that&#8217;s a hard one in the city, unfortunately</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>That&#8217;s my point&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>There has to be a process of integration&#8230;</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>This is where we have to be revolutionaries again -</span></p>
<p class="msg Nth"><span>by letting people know that children do exist in the world, and that we need space for them to be themselves.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>yeah</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I&#8217;m really enjoying this discussion -</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>i kinda want to live in Wicker Park for just that reason</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>but Stella&#8217;s losing it.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>okay</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>I gotta sign off, but I&#8217;ll call you soon.</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>kay</span></p>
<p class="icon"><span class="salutation"><strong>Atena: </strong></span><span>Later!</span></p>
<p><span></span><span class="salutation"><strong>andrea: </strong></span><span>bye!</span><span></span><span></span><span> </span><span></span><span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was laying on the bed, nursing (my favorite thinking spot) and I started to wonder about the whole parent/non-parent interaction dichotomy. Was it like this for my parents? Possibly. For their parents? Probably not. We all know about the golden old days when women had few choices other than spinsterhood and wife and motherhood. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=doubleagents.wordpress.com&amp;blog=344681&amp;post=11&amp;subd=doubleagents&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was laying on the bed, nursing (my favorite thinking spot) and I started to wonder about the whole parent/non-parent interaction dichotomy. Was it like this for my parents? Possibly. For their parents? Probably not. We all know about the golden old days when women had few choices other than spinsterhood and wife and motherhood. So, most people out of the educational system were usually looking to get married. And most married people were looking to start families. Naturally there were exceptions, but this was largely the state of American culture in the first half of the twentieth century. Chances are the people you socialized with in your age range were doing similar things to you, dealing with similar issues and choices.</p>
<p>So, moving forward to the current time, not everyone expects to get married let alone have kids. And some have kids much later than others. And then there&#8217;s the presence of nontraditional families who would have been invisible previously. There are more choices available to men and women but they&#8217;re still out there, mixing it up and getting social. Therefore, like never before, there&#8217;s this new dynamic being forged between people of similar age but vastly different lifestyle.</p>
<p>This seems like the perfect opportunity to make some real headway in true mothers&#8217;, fathers&#8217; and children&#8217;s rights. People with families used to sort of plane off into their own little suburban niches, largely becoming more politically and economically conservative and forming that &#8220;silent majority&#8221; everyone talked about in the sixties. But now mamas and papas continue to hang out with those who choose not to be parents, each exposing the other to new ways of seeing the world and keeping that vital, radical fire stoked. The non-parents remind the parents of the opportunities they should still be allowed to access with their children. The parents remind the non-parents that kids can be just as cool and should be allowed to grow up in a safe, fun environment full of opportunities. What a swell party this is!</p>
<p>andrea</p>
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		<title>Party Over There: Ignoring Parents in Social Situations&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Friday I went to a party where I think I was being ignored. Not malevolently, not on purpose, but still&#8230; It was a pretty typical Friday evening party scene &#8211; colleagues getting together, a group of twenty-to-thirtysomethings having relaxed, fun, semi-intellectual conversation over a nice assortment of liquors and cheeses. I was greeted enthusiastically, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=doubleagents.wordpress.com&amp;blog=344681&amp;post=9&amp;subd=doubleagents&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Friday I went to a party where I think I was being ignored.  </p>
<p>Not malevolently, not on purpose, but still&#8230;</p>
<p>It was a pretty typical Friday evening party scene &#8211; colleagues getting together, a group of twenty-to-thirtysomethings having relaxed, fun, semi-intellectual conversation over a nice assortment of liquors and cheeses.</p>
<p>I was greeted enthusiastically, but after sorting out my baby business (I had to sit down an nurse Stella before doing anything else &#8211; it&#8217;d been a long trip to get there) I realized that I hadn&#8217;t really met any of the people sitting around the table.</p>
<p>I think where I first went wrong was nursing the baby away from the group.  I just sat down in the closest chair and fed her.  I didn&#8217;t think until after we&#8217;d started that it could be interpreted as me being shy or embarrased or somehow intentionally separating myself.  It was just convenient.  But it kind of set the tone.  My friend &#8211; one of the hosts &#8211; was the only other person there with a baby (technically her husband also could be counted as having a baby, but for these purposes I&#8217;m not really counting him because she did the vast majority of the holding, entertaining and general attending of the child, so he wasn&#8217;t really <i>with</i> the baby).  So we sat, chatting happily together on the floor as we managed our babes, until I pointed out that we looked as though we&#8217;d been exiled from the party, which we laughed about, of course.  Then my friend called out the ridiculousness of us sitting over in the mama ghetto, and made room for us to sit with the larger group.</p>
<p>I felt that once we were at the table, we were still somehow outside.  So I looked for an inroad to one of the nearby conversations, but after a couple of minutes of scanning and looking for eye-contact, I realized that there weren&#8217;t any.  So, I turned to my friend and chatted with her.  But I felt wierd about the dynamic.  I attribute part of this to being the only people whose conversation was constantly interrupted by unpredictable baby behavior: when you are able to find a way into the conversation, something gets grabbed, or thrown to the floor, or screaming starts, or hair is pulled.  Parents have to develop a kind of conversational staccato that can be awkward for the uninitiated to navigate, and I don&#8217;t hold that against them.</p>
<p>But why are people without kids afraid to engage those of us who do?  What is it that garners us nervous glances but little-to-no talking.  I suppose some find it odd that I would bring a child to an adult party at all.  My general response to that is: I refuse to be socially isolated for the fact of having become a parent.  I still need adult interactions, intellectual conversations, eye-contact and the exchange of energy and ideas.  Part of this means making some non-conventional decisions about where babies can and cannot, should and should not go.  I remember when my best friend had her first baby, and I found that suddenly, we didn&#8217;t have much to talk about.  In retrospect, I think it was because I was unaware at the time of how much having a child changes your life.  My compass for what to talk about was suddenly different from hers.  It was lack of information about the way her life had changed that created distance between us.</p>
<p>I think that non-parents need to be helped to develop more of a vocabulary for dealing with parents, children and families.  We need to de-mystify family life, debunk the myths about what it means to be a parent.  We need to let people know that our lives and work as parents do not negate, but rather enhance our being (ideally, anyway).  Once, at a different party, I actually had someone ask me what I do, and when I replied that I take care of my daughter, her inquiry immediately ended and switched over to my husband, where she proceeded to ask about the details of his work as an office assistant.  I think that my husband will agree with me that my job is more interesting and satisfying, but when I told this woman what I do, it was like flipping a switch off.  People need to understand that parenting is a development in a life that is ongoing &#8211; our intellects, our creativity, our humor remain intact.</p>
<p>These are the reasons parents seek each other out.  As I struggled to maintain some level of acknowlegment and participation, I realized how easy it would be for me to decide to only go to parent parties, or to just focus on talking to my friend.  In the moment, it seems easier to segregate.  The interactions did improve as the evening went on &#8211; mainly because I was able to pass the baby off to other people.  It seems as though when I wasn&#8217;t holding my child, somehow I was easier to talk to.  This is why playgroups, play dates, time at the park, what have you, are so important.  It&#8217;s not for the kids, it&#8217;s for us.  And I say that&#8217;s fine, and what&#8217;s more, it&#8217;s necessary.  Because when we benefit, our children benefit too.  When we&#8217;re not frustrated and desperate for adult conversation, our children benefit.  When we&#8217;re not depressed from isolation, our children benefit.  When we&#8217;re creatively and intellectually engaged and fulfilled, our children benefit, because we&#8217;re happier and we don&#8217;t resent them for the time and attention they require (which is more than we ever realized, and it&#8217;s indefinite).</p>
<p>So, parents &#8211; don&#8217;t let yourselves be ignored.  Get yourself out to the parties, take the baby, find a sitter, figure something out.  And when you get there, pull up to the table.  Jump into the conversation.  Don&#8217;t play the social martyr to your children: &#8220;I can&#8217;t do anything because of [insert child's name here]&#8230;&#8221;  It&#8217;s not fair to them and it&#8217;s not fair to you.  And if you&#8217;re not a parent, and have the opportunity to hang out with one, do us a favor: Don&#8217;t act like we&#8217;re invisible, or like our child is a kind of plague.  Make conversation, ask questions, or at least smile and say hi.  You might learn something you didn&#8217;t know about people with kids, and you just might meet some really cool people.  </p>
<p>Atena</p>
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		<title>ACT NOW &#8211; Help Protect CODEPINK Women Traveling With Humanitarian Aid Convoy to Lebanon!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This action alert was found on hipmama.com, posted by PlacentaMom. August 12, 2006 Dear hipMamas, CODEPINK women Medea Benjamin, Gael Murphy and Diane Wilson are risking their lives to bring aid to Southern Lebanon and to expose the atrocities, please help protect them in their passage. Contact the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC and the [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=doubleagents.wordpress.com&amp;blog=344681&amp;post=10&amp;subd=doubleagents&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>This action alert was found on hipmama.com, posted by PlacentaMom.</i></b></p>
<p>August 12, 2006</p>
<p>Dear hipMamas,</p>
<p>CODEPINK women Medea Benjamin, Gael Murphy and Diane Wilson are risking their lives to bring aid to Southern Lebanon and to expose the atrocities, please help protect them in their passage.</p>
<p>Contact the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC and the Israeli Consulate in New York today to let them know that there is international attention on the Humanitarian Aid Convoy composed of Lebanese and U.S. citizens as well as other Internationals that plans to bring much needed aid to the thousands of civilians that are dying in Southern Lebanon from thirst, hunger and disease brought about by the bombing.</p>
<p>Let them know that we expect safe passage for this convoy &#8211; they must know the whole world is watching!</p>
<p>In Solidarity,<br />
Allison, Anedra, Dana, Erin, Farida, Gael, Jodie, Katie, Laura, Medea, Meredith, Nancy, Rae, Samantha and Tiffany</p>
<p>CALL TODAY!<br />
Amir Maimon &#8211; Minister-Counselor and Head of Department<br />
Eynat Shlein-Michael &#8211; Counselor for Middle Eastern Affairs<br />
Reuven Azar &#8211; Counselor for Political Affairs<br />
Israel Embassy Washington DC Political Department<br />
Tel: (202) 364-5581/2<br />
Fax: (202) 364-5490</p>
<p>New York Israel Consulate General<br />
Tel: (212) 499-5000</p>
<p>In Solidarity,<br />
Allison, Anedra, Dana, Erin, Farida, Gael, Jodie, Katie, Laura, Medea, Meredith, Nancy, Rae, Samantha and Tiffany</p>
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		<title>Reflecting on Parents in Community&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 04:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Parents are such an untapped resource for action and change.  We have to address this somehow if we actually want to see change in our lifetimes.  And I think we can all at least agree that something needs to change.  Less with the psycho-capitalism, more with the sustainable living.<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=doubleagents.wordpress.com&amp;blog=344681&amp;post=8&amp;subd=doubleagents&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per our last chat session, I&#8217;ve been thinking about what it means for parents to get together.  Parents finding community together is important on so many levels.  For learning about other perspectives on parenting, or just having someone to relate to &#8211; if I tell expectant parents anything it&#8217;s this: make sure you&#8217;ve got some friends have have kids too, preferably kids who are the same age.  Those friends will save your life.  </p>
<p>When I was pregnant, I got plugged into the community at HipMama.com, and was immediately hooked.  So many moms with so much to share, just when I was on the brink of a major life transition &#8211; it was just what I needed.</p>
<p>That wasn&#8217;t my first experience participating in online communities &#8211; I&#8217;ve been working with yahoo groups for a few years now.  But there was something about the Hip Mama users was different &#8211; maybe because it was a group of people who were able to navigate the internet and website without assistance, or maybe this group were more demographically similar &#8211; I don&#8217;t know.  But it was great.</p>
<p>Now, a little more than a year later, I don&#8217;t log on as much as I used to.  Every now and again, I lurk around, and sometimes I jump in with a comment or a message.  But my needs are constantly changing.  Right now, I need more Real, Live Parent action &#8211; hanging out with parents, havin&#8217; playdates, creating that space where we can hear the kids, and lend a hand, and share space with another adult.  Which is funny, considering all the time I spend online blogging.  I love finding online networks and communities, but there&#8217;s no denying the very real need to call up my mom friends and say &#8216;Hey, wanna come over?&#8217; or &#8216;How about a walk?&#8217;  For one thing, it gets me out of the house.  I was surprised at how easy it was to spend a week not even thinking about leaving the house when my daughter was younger.  Now I think about it, and I find a way to make it happen, because it&#8217;s not healthy to stay shut up with a baby.  Babies are great, but adults need to stretch out and walk a bit from time to time.</p>
<p>So now we&#8217;re looking for more parents to hang out with, which I&#8217;m psyched about.  I&#8217;d like to see what other parents are in the neighborhood and what kind of connections we can make.  I&#8217;m hoping to meet some more fathers that are cool to hang out with and get to know.  I was reading <a href="http://daddy-dialectic.blogspot.com">Daddy Dialectic</a>, where they were discussing the potential of the development of Daddy Wars, and the issue was raised that there stay-at-home dads tend to be more isolated in the wider parenting community.  I see them occasionally at the park, but the park has such a wierd vibe going on when you&#8217;re meeting other parents &#8211; it&#8217;s like the first day of school, except we&#8217;ve all got a really great excuse not to talk each other in our kids.  I try to be more outgoing and friendly, but I only have so much energy.  Anyway, I&#8217;ll step up the friendliness when I&#8217;m feeling up to it.  </p>
<p>I really hope we can create a functional parents&#8217; action network &#8211; a group that kind find tangible, concrete ways to address issues that concern us as parents.  Parents are such an untapped resource for action and change.  We have to address this somehow if we actually want to see change in our lifetimes.  And I think we can all at least agree that something needs to change.  Less with the psycho-capitalism, more with the sustainable living.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m getting tired.  Babygirl is teething &#8211; she was quite a force to be reckoned with today, very demanding, very stealthy.  I think I&#8217;ll just chill before I go to bed.</p>
<p>G&#8217;night, All!</p>
<p>Atena</p>
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		<title>In which a harpy reflects on her sins</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what&#8217;s the deal with my being so down on per-blogging (i may or may not have just made up that word &#8212; it&#8217;s a variation based on per-zines.) There are a couple of personal blogs I currently read that are quite awesome and they deal with the same issues as the ones that make [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=doubleagents.wordpress.com&amp;blog=344681&amp;post=7&amp;subd=doubleagents&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font size="2">So what&#8217;s the deal with my being so down on per-blogging (i may or may not have just made up that word &#8212; it&#8217;s a variation based on per-zines.) There are a couple of personal blogs I currently read that are quite awesome and they deal with the same issues as the ones that make my skin crawl. Is it the style of writing? Is it really shallow of me to want to be entertained, essentially? When it comes down to it, blogs are written for an audience and to essentially entertain others. They&#8217;re not diaries or super-secret journals otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t be online. And the blog entries that kinda whine and hint about some aspect of one&#8217;s life without really fleshing out details are basically the equivalent of playing that game where you dare someone to tease information out of you. You know the one where the person you&#8217;re sitting with suddenly says, &#8220;Oh wow&#8221; or &#8220;Man!&#8221; or makes some kind of tooth-sucking noise and then wait until you say, &#8220;what?&#8221; Can you tell I hate that game?</font></p>
<p><font size="2">So, it&#8217;s confessional time. I&#8217;m hoping to add this to our regular diablogging so hopefully Atena will be interested in doing this too. I have to confess that I harbored such evil thoughts about a toddler yesterday. We walked up to a nearby park and I was watching Henry playing. He&#8217;s at the age where I can now sit back a bit and watch him do various things without having to hover to ensure his safety. Anyway, there was a cherubic little fella sitting across from Henry and it looked like they were about to do some intense staring or scar comparison or what have you. Henry reaches down and picks up a handful of mulch. I thought perhaps he might show this new aquisition to his companion but instead he tossed the handful in the air at the other child. You would have thought someone had told this other kid that he can never see his favorite toy again. He had an utterly mortified look on his face. I kind of floundered and tried to capture Henry and impress upon him that this was not the best sort of playground behavior (he&#8217;s not even two &#8212; you can&#8217;t impress much upon him yet). The other little boy just sat there, still stunned. And sat. And sat. He probably sat there for about five minutes before he started trying to get his mother&#8217;s attention, still sitting in the same spot with bits of mulch around and stuck to him. He was a pitiful sight. Finally, after we&#8217;d moved on to the swings, his mom answered him and I noticed he was pointing in our direction. Here&#8217;s the confession part. The whole time I felt no remorse or sadness that my child had made another child sad. My thought was, &#8220;What a wimp! This kid will never make it on the playground if a little mulch SHATTERS HIS WHOLE WORLD.&#8221;</font><font size="2"> </font><font size="2">My god, am I going to raise a bully? Am I that much of an evil, mean girl that I can think such things about a kid who&#8217;s probably only three years old? I better go read some Leo Buscalia or paint some happy little clouds.</font></p>
<p>andrea </p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Around 3 in the afternoon  Andrea: I&#8217;m feeling kinda weird today. i tried lurking around hipmama, but most of posts just bored or annoyed me Atena: Yeah? Like what? Andrea: like sometimes i just don&#8217;t give a shit about hearing about other moms and their interactions with their kids Atena: Understandable &#8211; I think most [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=doubleagents.wordpress.com&amp;blog=344681&amp;post=3&amp;subd=doubleagents&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Around 3 in the afternoon</em> </p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> I&#8217;m feeling kinda weird today. i tried lurking around hipmama, but most of posts just bored or annoyed me</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Yeah? Like what?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> like sometimes i just don&#8217;t give a shit about hearing about other moms and their interactions with their kids</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Understandable &#8211; I think most of us feel that way at some time or another.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> or what appears to me to be subtle passive aggressive attention seeking</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Yeah &#8211; that can definitely be annoying.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i guess hipmama&#8217;s signal to noise ratio is a bit lower than i want to alot valuable time to</p>
<p>i also found the CV of this girl i knew in college. she&#8217;s a PhD now and teaches and does all this stuff. she wrote she got this award that i won and i&#8217;m trying to remember if i won it the year she said she won it (thereby lying about winning it)</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> It&#8217;s gotten to be quite a big community now &#8211; there&#8217;s so many people, groups and subgroups&#8230; I definitely don&#8217;t hang out there as much as I used to. It&#8217;s not as satisfying, but I still find it to be a pretty valuable reaource.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> kinda got my dander up</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Wow &#8211; yeah&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> yeah, i guess i&#8217;m not sure what kind of resource i&#8217;m looking for</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Are you looking to interact, or just to read and have more of a one-way interaction?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i guess to interact, but i&#8217;m starting to think that i&#8217;m a little tired of online interaction. i mean, it was my main mode of meeting others since 1992. it&#8217;s been a long freakin&#8217; time</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> I guess so&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;m newer to online interaction, so it&#8217;s still novel to me somewhat.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> yeah</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Online forum discussions can be tiring &#8211; I&#8217;m more into one-on-one chat with people I actually know, or blog &amp; response discussions, where everyone has time to think about what they wanna say.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> although i think i could be excited by online interaction if i was actively engaged in a community of upbeat but quirky people</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Well, lord knows there&#8217;s enough of us out here&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> it feels like a lot of the people on forums either have a lot of anger or issues or drama that they need to vent somewhere but it ends up dragging everything down<br />
it turns into a pity party of oneupmanship<br />
or a lot of hand-holding and back patting</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Absolutely. I guess I&#8217;ve taken that to be par for the course. The nice thing is you can always find another discussion.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> and while that&#8217;s really vital and useful for folks, i didn&#8217;t sign up for a group therapy session</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> True&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> yeah, i guess i&#8217;m not finding discussions that are interesting to me</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> But it&#8217;s nice to have a place to do that if you find that you&#8217;re the one who needs hand holding.<br />
It can definitely get tedious though.<br />
So it&#8217;s good that the internet is so vast, eh?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> yeah. i don&#8217;t want to stop that kind of compassion (although i might also be speaking of my own rejected attempts and getting someone to hold my hand)<br />
and=at</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Gotcha.<br />
What I&#8217;ve been doing lately&#8230;<br />
is finding blogs that I like, and then reading blogs linked to those blogs, and so on&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> *nod*</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> That way I can always find new content.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> oh, i checked in at the hipmama meetup group and chimed in with an RSVP</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Cool! I&#8217;d totally forgotten about it.<br />
What&#8217;d you say?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> oh that it sounded too pricy and what about a nice playgroup?<br />
i couldn&#8217;t think of anything more biting to say <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> I wonder if they&#8217;ll respond to the cost issue&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i fear it&#8217;s going to get buried</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Well, I hope not, but it&#8217;s always a possibility.<br />
Maybe we should organize our own Hip Parent Party, or something&#8230; Like the Young Breeders&#8217; Society.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i wonder if we should start a meetup and be really explicit about who we&#8217;re interested in meeting. and maybe do something a little punk-rock, like converge on a place traditionally lacking in mamaenergy (like Filter or some similar hipster joint)<br />
heh</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Oh, that&#8217;s a great idea. I&#8217;ve been wanting to do something like that for a while.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> OR! we could do a little activism</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> That IS activism!<br />
But what did you have in mind?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> well, you know those flyers for the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.momsrising.org/" title="Mom's Rising">mama manifesto </a>site?</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Yeah.<br />
Oh &#8211; hold on &#8211; Stella&#8217;s freakin out&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i thought it&#8217;d be bitchin to print a bunch out and tack &#8216;em up around various places. we could have a walk with all the mamas who want to participate</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Cool!</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> and, if we build up enough people, we could crash mommy groups to get out of the ol&#8217; comfort zone<br />
the mamas meet the mommies</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Hmm &#8211; interesting&#8230;<br />
Which mommy groups did you have in mind?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i don&#8217;t know any yet, but i&#8217;m sure they abound<br />
Lincoln Park, Evanston, Gold Coast</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> What would we do?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> wouldn&#8217;t that be a hoot? get all punk rock looking and show up to a Lincoln Park playgroup?</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> That would be pretty funny.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> just show that an alternative world view exists<br />
not necessarily get in their face but just talk about stuff and respond<br />
and nurse</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Of course.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> whip out the ol&#8217; boobs</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Always!</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i&#8217;m just slinging pie in the sky<br />
the first order of business is to find cool moms, tho<br />
i wonder if we could put up flyers in, like, tattoo parlors and record stores</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> They&#8217;re out there&#8230; we already know a few -<br />
Natalie has been telling me about some moms she&#8217;d like me to meet.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> hell, we could see if we could form some kind of working/awareness group to see what kind of activism we can accomplish<br />
natalie is so impressive. i was very intimidated, i must say. she&#8217;s definitely a force of nature</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Yeah &#8211; she can be intimidating&#8230;<br />
She&#8217;s a total sweetheart radical earth mama, though&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> that&#8217;s awesome<br />
she has the kind of strong energy i aspire to have someday when i get my shit together</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> We should all get together and have a nurse-in.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> definitely.<br />
hey, look at this: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.momsrising.org/neighborhood/start_a_group" title="Mom's Rising: Starting a Group">http://www.momsrising.org/neighborhood/start_a_group</a><br />
discussion topics! action items!</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Awesome!<br />
You know&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;d really like to find some rad dads and get together with them. I get so mamacentric sometimes&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> yeah! that&#8217;d be awesome!<br />
again with the Young Breeders Society</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> and there&#8217;s really valuable dad energy out there.<br />
Right!</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> okay, let&#8217;s plan a gathering then<br />
and we&#8217;ll invite all the very cool dads and moms we know<br />
should we focus on moms and dads that are a bit more radical/receptive to activism?</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Awesome &#8211; I&#8217;m nursing and typing one-handed &#8211; that&#8217;s why i&#8217;m so<br />
slow</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> do we want to go in that direction, or make that something separate?</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Good question&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i&#8217;d totally be interested in hosting the event, since we&#8217;ve got lots of sitting areas and a bit table and such<br />
bit=big<br />
(henry is going to sleep forEVER)</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> (Stella&#8217;s been wiggling like crazy and smacking my hands)</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> (oof. that&#8217;s a pain)</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> But the event &#8211; cool&#8230; Yes! -<br />
Maybe we could start out with just identifying and getting to know parents&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> that&#8217;d be good</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> and then as we get to know them<br />
invite them to join us in more activism.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> we should make it a potluck<br />
ja</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Potluck is always a good idea.<br />
Maybe not always, but often enough.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> yeah</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Alright -<br />
what&#8217;s our timeframe?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> hmm. i guess sooner is cool. might prompt mark to put more boxes in the basement. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Heh!<br />
(Stella&#8217;s laughing too.)</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> hee hee<br />
awww.. henry turned over onto his belly. he looks so sweet.</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Well, how about the end of this month?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> okay</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Let me look at my calendar&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i was thinking perhaps a sunday afternoon? would that be possible?<br />
or would a saturday afternoon be better?</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> I&#8217;m not sure&#8230;<br />
You&#8217;re the host -<br />
what&#8217;s best for you?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> i was thinking it&#8217;s more likely Mark wouldn&#8217;t be shooting on a Sunday<br />
i don&#8217;t know when shooting will start again</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Good call.</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> August 27?</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Maybe we should plan tentatively for Sunday the 27th, and find out what the husbands are up to?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> sounds good to me</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Rock on!<br />
Okay&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> oh hey&#8230; what are you doing Wednesday evening, after 8 p.m.?</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> I think I should probably go, &#8217;cause Stella&#8217;s got stress hiccups and is looking a bit forlorn&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> awww. poor little one.</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Here &#8211; I&#8217;ll call you on the phone, okay?</p>
<p><strong>Andrea:</strong> k</p>
<p><strong>Atena:</strong> Alright, bye!</p>
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